Kurt Andersen and Jon Ronson talk about the enduring appeal of conspiracy theories.

Jon Ronson is a widely published British journalist. In Them, Ronson spent years with members of various extremist groups, from Aryan Nations in Idaho to a jihadi preacher in London to David Icke — a former soccer commentator who uncovered the plot by which extraterrestrial lizards (including President Bush) run things on Earth. Ronson’s new book, The Men Who Stare at Goats, documents the US military’s ongoing interest in psychic phenomena.

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